“OpenCaching” Garmin’s Shady Ripoff Of Geocaching.com

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***A note to our readers! This posting was put up by the original owner of the website. We do not share this sentiment and think the more caches in the world the merrier. We had thought about deleting this post, and actually did briefly remove it from the website when we took over. BUT we do think that both sides of the story need to be heard, and are returning it with this adder in hopes that those of you who use and love opencaching.com will also show your support for it.

Original Post

Just a few days ago Garmin, one of the leading providers of GPSr’s launched a new website, OpenCaching.com. This new website is basically their attempt to control the Geocaching market so they can sell more GPSr’s since GPS sales are going down the tube due to increased smart phone use… smart phones have built-in GPS technology.

I’m certainly not an attorney, but it’s very surprising that this is even legal. Their site doesn’t make a single mention of Groundspeak’s Geocaching.com, which is the Official Geocaching website (what a great way of saying thanks for the millions of dollars in GPS sales Groundspeak has sent their way) yet they present it as if it’s the originator and official site, although it’s simply a complete, unfair and shady copy!

The two sites seem to have similar features, although OpenCaching does have a couple small features that I wouldn’t mind seeing integrated into Geocaching.com The only major differences that I can see are that OpenCaching DOESN’T HAVE REVIEWERS, you don’t have to pay the small fee for a premium account and there aren’t hardly any caches showing up on their site, which is almost hilarious. The ONLY thing that may help them get going is lack of a yearly fee, but it’s a small fee anyway.

 

Dear Garmin, We understand you’re going broke. Sorry to hear that. Trying to fix something that isn’t broke isn’t going to prevent your company from going broke. It’s only going to make (scratch that) it only makes you look like a desperate, shady operation!

Let’s take a stand, Geocachers. Let’s boycott this shady operation and continue to support Geocaching.com

What are you thoughts?

  1. Handyman:)
    Handyman:)12-15-2010

    If it weren’t for competion (however poor it is) innovation would be severly lacking. It is the capitalist way to copy something and try to make it better. Could you imagine how pitiful the world would be if there were only one of everything?

  2. admin
    admin12-15-2010

    This is true in a way. Competition is always good. But there’s a difference between competition and just completely copying something.

  3. AdminWho
    AdminWho12-15-2010

    YahooMaps, GoogleMaps, MapQuest all seem rather similar to me, and the world still turns. If Garmin makes the GPS units and creates software suited for geocaching, it seems like they should be able to compete with Geocaching.com for the hobby.

    I think it’s a good thing since competition breeds innovation, and besides, it’s nice to have choices.

    In the end, what are they ripping off, really? Geocaching.com didn’t create the hobby of geocaching. Yes, the made it commercial, but that doesn’t mean they own the hobby. Just my 2 cents.

  4. Norman Mikes
    Norman Mikes12-15-2010

    I agree with the previous comment about competition. I have a few more.
    #1 I have not looked at the new site yet, But I have never really been happy with Groundspeaks site. It is very cumbersome to get to some features.
    #2 This is not the first alternative site to list caches.
    #3 I had not heard about the site until I received this email…. so the intention of boycotting it is reversed… I am going to check it out.
    #4 Geocaching.com was not the originator of Geocaching either. Remember this started on a local BBS type system in 2000 and at that time it wasn’t even called Geocaching. I realize groundspeak has done a lot for this hobby and I am grateful, but it evolves because of us, the cachers, and our creativity,not because of Geocaching.com

  5. Dave
    Dave12-15-2010

    Competition is good, it bring out innovation on all sides, there are already alternate listing sites out there, garmin are not the only ones.

    My aim with my caches is to as many people aware of our local area searching for my cache, by putting it on more than one site all the better. There is enough room for other geocaching sites

  6. Dennis
    Dennis12-15-2010

    I checked out their site yesterday and between the USA and Canada they were showing 13 Geocaches. I predict the thing will be a flop. Copycats never seem to survive. Give them enough rope and they will hang themselves. BTW, I have a Garmin and agree, they are trying to sell units. I have a better idea. Offer a free year of premium membership to Geocaching.com.

  7. Flexeaton
    Flexeaton12-15-2010

    Caching should be about going out and enjoying somewhere. If this new site provides more ways to do so, good. However, groundspeak do have it all to themselves, so it would be interesting to see something new. We shouldn’t just boycott something out of prejudiced reasons, before it’s even properly got going; let’s give it half a year or so, and see how it does. If groundspeak is strong enough, it’ll dwarf it like terracaching etc.

    However, the bottom line is that if garmin goes bust, so do the satellites. And then we’re all screwed.

  8. Benny
    Benny12-15-2010

    Having caches spread out on multiple sites could be a mess, and I don’t think it would get to that point, where you have different geocaching websites competing against each other. Everything needs competition, though.

    Also, how can OpenCaching allow people to import their existing hides and finds on their site? That sounds illegal.

  9. GeoMan
    GeoMan12-15-2010

    I would think GPSr sales were up? Are you sure they are going down? Phones do not cut it in real geocaching as I know it. However, I have bought 2 Garmins this year. A 60 and 62.

    I have competitors, will you boycott them for me? I don’t think they Geocache.

    Did Garmin make geocaching.com an offer?

  10. Linda
    Linda12-15-2010

    I think it’s a GREAT idea. It kind of peeves me that Geocaching.com has gotten so big for it’s britches. Maybe if they had a little competition they would ease up on things a bit. Like why not allow virtual caches? I LOVE THEM!!! I think it’s ridiculous that they aren’t permitted any more. And you can’t use the word “pathtag” in your listing because they didn’t think of it first? Give me a break. There are other examples, but these are just the two that stick in my crawl the most. I say bring it on.

    Oh, and for the record, I got a free trial premium geocaching.com membership when I bought my last two Garmins.

    I’m just sayin!

  11. Ken
    Ken12-15-2010

    I just opened an account on Opencaching to check out a few things. It allowed me to copy one of my GC caches over to the site. How stupid is that. I know they are hoping to have GC’ers transfer the existing caches over to their site. But why? Geocaching has always been MY game. There is no prize at the end of the day. If you don’t like the “rules” don’t play the game! Competition amongst a few geocachers have ruined it for them. I still enjoy the hides, finds, and getting out there with my grandkids, family, friends and geo friends. By the way after I saw how easy it was to ‘hide’ an existing cache on OpenCaching, I sent an email to them asking how I can close my account! Doesn’t do anything for me. Garmin stick to making GPS products!

  12. Ken
    Ken12-15-2010

    Flexeaton, Garmin doesn’t control the satellites. Garmin going bust will not shut the satellites down.

  13. steve bullard
    steve bullard12-15-2010

    I do like their units and have used other products in the fishing line. I beleive members of geocashing.com will stay obediant to them. I am a fairly new member and like the way it is structured. I lot of thought went in to it. I’m not going anywhere.

  14. TulipGirls
    TulipGirls12-15-2010

    They’re not off to a very good start “An error occurred while trying to sign in. Please try again later.”

  15. drpeel
    drpeel12-15-2010

    Nice written. I support your opinion and have written a blog post in my blog (in swedish) about this. I think that there is no need for opencaching.com with Garmin behind the wheel.

    I support geocaching.com !

    //Patrik (geocaching nick drpeel, twitter @drpeel )

  16. Arkville
    Arkville12-15-2010

    I have to agree with most other comments. I have have checked other existing cache sites and none can compare to geocaching.com.

    I doubt garmin will do much better. Most of us using geocaching .com will be loyal members, rather you are a free mamber or a paying one.

    I too own several Garmin units, one just purchased this Monday. I like their products and am very happy, however would not even begin to consider leaving groundspeak.

  17. Robert C Wise
    Robert C Wise12-15-2010

    AS usuall have something good, then the news goes out there, & everyone is falling over each other. there was a time when i could take my kids out to do something or go somewhere, & there was very little competition, now everyones out there. 1/3 looking having fun, 1/3 wannabes, 1/3 out there destroying, things were fun before now everybody`s Indiania Jones. I`m with you Mad Cacher

  18. Sparticus06
    Sparticus0612-15-2010

    So riddle me this, when Henry Ford built the first car, and then came along all the other car makers, did people boycott Ford? No. I am gonna give it a chance and see what happens. I like the Opencaching because of no fee and it has some nice added features. Dont judge a book by it’s cover until you have actually looked into the whole deal.

  19. TeamCam
    TeamCam12-15-2010

    I agree that compettition will make caching stronger, but I still can’t shake the notion that this was a really underhanded move by Garmin. I’ll be looking to DeLorme or Lowrance for my next unit.

  20. Handyman:)
    Handyman:)12-16-2010

    I hope it succeeds (or something similar)GC.com having a monopoly in the game with no competition WILL result in ever increasing fees $40-$50-$100 a year & beyond. Or has everyone forgotten how much Microsoft programs run? And it makes sense that a GPS oriented company like Garmin be behind it. Who do you want to run it, Google? They have everything else :(

  21. WeCacheTogether
    WeCacheTogether12-16-2010

    I totally agree about your point. Garmin has no right to do this at all. They don’t even have the decency of coming up with a new name. Until then, I an sticking to geocaching.com!

    DON’T LET THEM DO THIS!!!

  22. cacher
    cacher12-16-2010

    Not only did Garmin just launch opencaching.com there is also another site which is also free
    http://opencaching.us/

  23. Handyman:)
    Handyman:)12-16-2010

    What do you mean “no right”?? That is completelt ridiculous! This is the USA not communist China.

  24. Dennis
    Dennis12-16-2010

    So far I have found one that is listed on both sites. I image there will be a lot of this going on. Quite a View by Nuttyguy, just outside Lewiston, ID. I knew it sounded familiar. This is a good lesson for OpenCaching.us – Register the rest of the domain names. Someone already grabbed opencaching.net

  25. admin
    admin12-16-2010

    I’ll admit, I probably did over react a bit. I do believe this goes beyond leveraging free enterprise. True, Geocaching.com doesn’t own the hobby, but they are who made it what it is. I LOVE this hobby and I am very appreciative to Groundspeak for making Geocaching so popular, so I naturally tend to defend them when another company comes along and copies them.

  26. supplier
    supplier12-16-2010

    I have no problem with competion, but I did look at the site. I really wasn’t that impressed and I am not interested in basically starting over on my cache count. Even though I only have 770 finds, it has taken me 5 years to get to that. Don’t even get me started on my trackables.

  27. Knapaholic
    Knapaholic12-16-2010

    What’s the harm? I know a lot of folks who are unhappy with Groundspeak for doing away with Virtuals and Locationless cache types. Ask the Pathtag fans how they feel about not being able to even mention Pathtags on a Groundpeak page. Both of these are examples of the consumer being told what they can or can’t have, even though they pay the bills. If competition can allow for these things to be overcome, (and I believe it can) then why protest? Groundspeak isn’t going anywhere for a while, nor do I want it to. I say let capitalism and the free market economy do its job.

  28. Linda
    Linda12-16-2010

    AMEN Knapaholic!

  29. Richary
    Richary12-16-2010

    A few misinformed comments here. opencaching.net, .us, .de and so on have been around for a long time. And here in Australia we have geocaching.com.au which allows listing of caches that fall outside groundspeak’s rules such as virtuals and movables – as well as integrating the statistics from the other sites so you can have all your geocaching stats in one place. Cost – free, done by the developers for the love of it.

  30. Mark Moore
    Mark Moore12-16-2010

    We all have a choice… If we want to use Geocaching or Garmin’s website, then so be it… I don’t see the harm in more than one site… The best will be the one with the most users… I personally use Garmin GPS, but I do like geocaching.com… We may see some great new ideas out of a little competition, but I don’t think it’s going to hurt anyone… Why worry about it now??? I have fun just geocaching, and I will continue to do it as I have always done… I’m not going to stress over it.

  31. Zalgariath
    Zalgariath12-16-2010

    There is a lot of fact and fiction in this issue. While I agree with the general consensus of the blog lets get a few things straight.

    1) There is NO OFFICIAL site for geocaching. That’s like saying there is an Official Site for Cricket, Football, almost any activity. Groundspeak simply run the LARGEST site for caching.

    2) I agree in all likelyhood, the Garmin site will flop… but at least it is doing some good as a lot of “long promised” features on GC.com are suddenly getting done… competition, even inept competition breeds advancement.

    3) The fact it has no caches on it yet is due to infancy, not crapness. Like all listing sites, you gotta start somewhere.

    4) “Open Caching” is not a new thing… Free, non-reviewer, community caching has been around a long time… Geocaching.com.au, opencaching.org and all it affliates have been offering Free, Open Caching for many years.

    At the end of the day, Opencaching.com has an agenda to make money for garmin… and thus in NOT free and open. It will hopefully spur along GC.com to stop being lazy which is great, but if you want the “Open” experience, check out the pre-existing options in your country… the USA version of opencaching.org began this year :D

  32. Mark
    Mark12-16-2010

    Dennis,

    Garmin offers a free month when you register a Garmin GPS with them … even one you buy second hand.

    Since I stared geocaching (summer 2005)I have bought 3 garmin’s on e-bay. the newest a few months ago (time for a color screen & usable for driving.

    In registering me as the new owner of the GPS on the Garnin site I saw the offer for a free month I will take them up on it & then (finally) become a premium member.

    IF Garmin sales are slipping the should look at what other companies are doing. Maybe ALL are losing sales as they have reached a saturation point & the smart phones have just sped this up.

    Mark

  33. Justin
    Justin12-16-2010

    I think the shadiest thing about Garmin launching opencaching.com is the name. Opencaching.xy (as stated) already exists and they are run by cachers, not companies. Garmin should have called it garmincaching.com, which is essentially their goal…

  34. Lisa A
    Lisa A12-16-2010

    Not cool on Garmin’s behalf. I get the impressions they are trying to take over the geocaching arena. They are building devices that are limited to their GPS units only (Chirps),and they didn’t notify geocaching.com of this device in a timely manner. They have taken over this site which seems suited to cater to the cachers who don’t want to follow reasonable rules. The lack of reviewers really concerns me. Geocaching is conducted in some very sensitive areas that run the risk of being banned if irresponsible actions increase in frequency. There are a lot of issues I see with this site. I am not sure what the best means of dealing with it is, but I uploaded my hides as placeholders so that others are aware and hopefully, do not place a cache next to mine, resulting in oversaturation and irritated land managers. I will not use the site to seek or log finds. I would be much more positive about this site if it had reviewers who had a legitimate concern for the sport and our ability to play it in a responsible manner.

  35. Wolfpack01
    Wolfpack0112-16-2010

    As a business owner, I wish I didn’t have any competition. When I opened my business, I’m sure my competitors wished I hadn’t. I’m constantly trying to provide the best experience for my customers as I can to keep them my customers, and so they’ll tell their friends about me. I wish I didn’t have competition, but it keeps me doing my best.

    Having said that, I think blasting an email to boycott a site will have the opposite effect. I’m checking out their site. I wouldn’t have otherwise.

    A long time ago, remember the movie “The Last Temptation of Christ”? Many Christians (for the record, I’m a Christian, although I wasn’t back then) were picketing the movie and making a huge stink about it. What publicity! Everyone wanted to see the movie to see what the big deal was all about. The best thing they could have done was ignored it, and hardly anyone would have seen it.

    I’m VERY new to geocaching, and I like what I’ve seen from geocaching.com so far. I don’t have any desire to use another site, but I’ll check it out anyway to see what the hoopla is about.

  36. beemer530
    beemer53012-16-2010

    I think competition can be a good thing. The market will determine the outcome. I don’t use Garmin equipment and don’t plan to list my caches on their site. If I ever find all the caches listed on Geocaching.com in a given area, it might be nice to have other sources for cache listings. But, I doubt that will happen in my lifetime. Opencaching.com only has 2 caches listed in the greater Phoenix, AZ area and one of them is already listed on Geocaching.com.

  37. Howard_Family
    Howard_Family12-16-2010

    While I don’t have a problem with competition, I do have some problems with the way they have handled this.

    First off, their terms and conditions are basically carbon copied from Groundspeak, and they’ve just replaced their name with Groundspeak’s when appropriate.

    Second, while I’m sure it will change eventually, people have noticed that the GPX files created by the site actually have Groundspeak’s name in the coding, which means that whatever implementation they are using is just a copied version from Groundspeak, not their own. Surely they could have coded their own to include their name instead? It’s not like the GPX file is Groundspeaks’ alone.

    Third, this will cause massive confusion with muggles thinking about getting into the game. While the arguments can fly that all they have to do is search on Google to find the “real” geocaching site, the fact is Garmin is going to pimp this site on all their new products. Lets say wifey buys hubby a new Garmin GPSr for Christmas/b-day and inside is a flyer for the Opencaching.com site with all the information they need to get started. Hubby has heard others talk about geocaching and is interested, so he goes to the site and signs up. Curious, he goes to look for some caches in his area and is immediately heartbroken to see that not only aren’t there any caches in his neighborhood like he thought, but because of the newness and the lack of use from the dedicated many, there aren’t any caches in his state. Dumbstruck, he pushes the notion of caching aside because, obviously, this is a sport that is either not catching on or is on the way out.

    And finally, Garmin appears to be encouraging cross-posting of caches on their site. You can even load your “My Finds” pocket query onto the site and after a few minutes your numbers will appear, even though the caches don’t technically exist on the site yet. This leads me to believe that once someone decides to start cross-posting their caches (which is a violation of the ToS for GC.com), those finds will begin to populate with links on the site and the finds will become official. It’s only because of this that I have registered my team name on the site. I seriously do NOT want someone else to go around taking credit for my finds if/when the caches ever appear on OC.com.

    But, and this is a very big BUT, I am most curious to find out why Groundspeak has remained quiet about this site. I know it’s policy to never mention the competition and they flat-out refuse to allow anyone to post in their listings mention of the other “alternative” sites, but the OC.com thread has been going strong on the official forums for weeks now and hasn’t been thread locked/deleted. Furthermore, there hasn’t been any motions, as far as I can see, from Groundspeak having any opinions of this whatsoever. Some will say that they took the same “background” route when it came to dealing with the other alternatives, but those aren’t major corporation-backed projects…those are just like-minded cachers who have grown tired of the constraints that Groundspeak puts on the game. And while I do like Virtual caches, I can see why they want to steer clear of them. There is one older virtual cache in my area that, in order to log the find, all you have to do is take a picture of a particular wildlife animal that is known to inhabit this area only for a short time. My problem with this is that every year our local newspapers cover their appearance and snap multiple photos of them. Countless local blogs have photos as well. I seriously doubt the CO is going to check each photo to make sure it wasn’t just a straight rip from the internet….see, instant smiley and I didn’t even have to leave the house.

    Sorry about that. Anyway, my point I’m trying to make is that what if Groundspeak’s lack of response is purposeful? Groundspeak has alluded (and has now acknowledged on the Feedback site that it’s in process) to opening APIs for 3rd-parties. What if Groundspeak is working WITH Garmin to be the first 3rd party to have access to and use the API in a major way. This would allow for all of GC.com’s caches to instantly be available on their site. Unfortunately I doubt this will be the case because Garmin allows for the ability to create caches on their site and the review process is totally user-based. But it would explain the lack of movement on Groundspeak’s part.

    In the end I’m not too worried about the site. Many are taking the same stance as you and are openly refusing to do anything with it. It would take years for their database of active caches to even be a fraction of the current caches out there. All it has going for it is a nice, modern interface (which Groundspeak should take note of if/when they decide to update their site to include Web 2.0 technologies) and corporate backing. And, for me, I see this as an opportunity for Groundspeak to capitalize on the comments and opinions of the many…obviously there’s a reason why segmentation is occurring within the caching community. Clearly some of their rules are running afoul with members of the community and they are willing to take their creativity and hard work to a competitor. Hopefully they will see this as a chance to take a hard look at what they’re doing right and wrong and try to make GC.com the ULTIMATE destination for all things geocaching. They need to fight to keep what they’ve created from becoming stale and unused. No action and there may come a time when every light pole has a cache inside, one for each competing site.

  38. Ron Entrop
    Ron Entrop12-16-2010

    As I think that it is we have a great site at geocaching.com and local sites in many European countries. I do not think there is a need for another caching site however we cannot forbid Garmin to launch their site.
    I have no need for it and therefore will not use it!

  39. pkarm
    pkarm12-16-2010

    I don’t know what is shady about it? They have given the geocache world another option whats the big deal? I will keep my geocache membership but I always like more options in todays world.

  40. Preseli
    Preseli12-16-2010

    There have been many flavours of geocaching web sites.

    True the original cache was published on USENET which was and still is a global Newsgroups system. I remember the first cache being published and thinking who would go and look for that – how wrong I was! LOL

    Terracaching is one such website that springs to mind… Competition isn’t a bad thing, but…

    I am more concerned that Garmin are jumping on the ‘open geocaching’ bandwagon.

    There has been for quite some time a opencaching.org.uk / opencaching.us website which has been community built and run… for a big company like Garmin to muscle on their brand I feel is very bad form. Boo to you Garmin!

  41. Linda
    Linda12-16-2010

    This is in response to the “Howard Family” posting. You said a lot and obviously put a lot of time and thought into your posting. The one thing that stuck out to me though, was your comment on the virtual caches. The most likely reason it stuck in my head is because I have TWO I’d like to “hide” on GC.com and I can’t….because they don’t allow them anymore. Now I don’t know why they don’t because I’ve only been caching a little over a year and they quit allowing them before I became a member. But if they quit allowing them for the reasons you alluded to, that’s ridiculous.

    Yes you can take a picture off of the internet and claim the smiley, but can’t you do that on absolutely ANY cache? I mean I don’t have to leave my chair to log my visit on any type of cache – unless the CO requires info off of the actual cache. So, in my opinion, that’s not a very good reason for GC.com to ban virtual caches. I’ve found some interesting virtuals that I’ve driven by (some for years!!!) and never even realized they were there. I think that’s a big boo-boo for GC and if they’re reading these postings, I hope they rethink that policy.

  42. Howard_Family
    Howard_Family12-16-2010

    @Linda – Yes, while you could “technically” log any cache you want on the site as a “Found It”, the fact remains that if/when the CO goes performs maintenance to replace a log, technically they could invalidate your find if your name is not on the log. The virtual caches, however, have no checks and balances that the CO could use to validate a find, other then stating rigorous instructions on how to claim the find (taking a picture with your GPSr at the site of the cache subject while holding a sign with your team name on it). Personally I love the virtuals, but I do see the logistics behind Groundspeak not wanting to support these. But to each their own.

  43. Bill
    Bill12-17-2010

    I have split thoughts about the Opencaching.com website (not to be confused with the opencaching.us site). I think that if you look at it as a standalone entity without any comparison vs. the other existing sites that are out there, there are some interesting things conceptually about what they are doing.
    Unfortunately the site is in an alpha stage of development (forget being beta, I have a hard time even posting on the forums before getting frustrated). I have uploaded my finds to see what the outcome was going to be and had no problems with that process.
    I have been an avid user of groundspeaks website and have enjoyed my experience there. I’m not jumping ship for one or the other. Rather taking a wait and see approach. I did this with terracaching in the past and there were few/no caches on that site around my area. I did try to search out a couple through the course of my travels and they left little to be desired. Not to say that there haven’t been some bad ones at groundspeak, because there has been.

  44. Mulvaney
    Mulvaney12-17-2010

    In some ways, I hope garmin’s site will encourage groundspeak to be more open. As far as I can tell, the main thing that opencaching.com provides is an easy way for anyone to download a gpx file. It is something that groundspeak would do well to emulate — the advanced search and filter functions of a pocket query would still justify premium membership.

    Although I do not always agree with everything groundspeak has done, I would sooner trust the game to a company that exists to promote it, rather than a company that wants to use it to sell handhelds and chirps.

    I am mystified by he comments here about virtuals? They are one of my favorite parts of the game, but groundspeak has promised to reintroduce them. You will not find them on opencaching.com

    I am more concerned about the lack of review before garmin publishes caches, and the ways that this might affect decisions of land managers and others. And I don’t see anything to be gained by cross-listing caches on their site.

    Perhaps it is because garmin took the opencaching name. It seems like a big kid taking over a particular sandbox that had long been established. I understand that they need to sell more units. Their automotive core is in decline, their earnings are below expectation, and their entry into the smartphone market was a debacle. But I wonder what prompted them to end their long-standing relationship with groundspeak and become a competitor instead.

  45. Craig
    Craig12-19-2010

    While I cannot argue the point of competition but I am not too worried about this new site taking down GC.com. I just visited it (OC.com) and the new site reminds me a lot of a website built by a HS web class. If that’s the best Garmin can offer I’m glad I own a Magellan and GC.com can expect to keep me as a loyal client for the forseeable future.

  46. walley
    walley01-05-2011

    Opencaching is an old idea, look at opencaching.de or opencaching.pl (27000 and 11000 caches)a nd there are more national sites.
    They probably only recycled idea of open caching, not controlled by some unneeded ground company.

  47. Duncan
    Duncan05-04-2011

    Have a look at the site.
    If you like it use it, if you don’t don’t.

    Case closed what do you care if you don’t use it.

  48. Kyle
    Kyle05-05-2011

    I’m confused as to why this is a bad thing. Geocaching.com, while pretty much responsible for the popularization of geocaching IS a bit shady in its practices. It takes crowdsourced data and makes it difficult to get that data unless you pay up.

    Back when you could get a month of membership for $3, bulk download the caches, and get on with your life, it wasn’t as annoying, but now to get access to a bulk of the caches in the area without going through the “pain-in-the-butt” process of going to the website and getting all coordinates one at a time, you have to get a reasonably long membership. That bothers me given the fact that all of this data is provided freely to geocaching.com in the first place.

    Opencaching, to me, seems like an excellent idea if it will actually take off. Not only is the site very well designed and aesthetically pleasing, the caches are well organized and the freedom of the data seems to be pretty great.

    I don’t get what you mean by high school website. It’s simple, functional, and easy to use as far as I can tell. Not worlds ahead of the original Geocaching.com by any means, but it definitely does the job.

    Honestly, it will all come down to how easily “liberated” the data from the site will be and how easily other programs can be made to run with it and draw data from the site. I’m sick of worrying about breaking the Geocaching.com TOS every time I use a new GPS program on my Android.

  49. randy
    randy05-27-2011

    i tried geocaching a bit a while back, and don’t have the time to put into it, but my thoughts about geocaching.com was (after reading the history of
    the sport) was that yes, they boosted the sport, and they did some pretty sucky stuff in the service of their own bottom line… the “control freak” mentality of geocaching.com in controlling what can be said, and banning someones account for any reason that they perceive may threaten their stranglehold on the hobby was one reason i decided not to pursue it any further… when the renewal came up last month, i passed on bothering to renew….

  50. Harry
    Harry05-31-2011

    Just a little inside info on this from someone who has tried in the past to work and advertise with Geocaching. Their rates to advertise were astronomical compared to other places to advertise on line. It would not pay for itself if you had 1 out of 4 people buy from you.

    I heard that Geocaching was asking for well over a million dollars a year for ad space from Garmin. True or not, Garmin probably looked a geocaching website and said, if they don’t want to give us reasonable rates, we can make our own site. We our own in house web design team and they can create the site, out engineers can make our GPS units easily intergrate with the website, and if there is a intergration problem, we can fix it in house ourselves with out asking the people at Geocaching to fix the problem and wait 6 months for them to do it.

    As for lack of caches on the OC site, one day, Garmin is going to hire a team to hide caches. What a job, hike and hide 20 or 30 caches a day and move on to another location the next day.

    If they can pay some to drive down the road and log address, speed zones and U turns, they can pay someone to hide caches.

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